Maybe Tom will change the oil often enough to keep the timing chain in it. And we were curious about the LFX, as it seems like an engine with great potential that just hasn’t gotten much love in the enthusiast world. Jan 16, 2020. Awesome! The rx7 trans does not have a replaceable bell housing and the bolt pattern is different. You can see more about build on FB at Miata LFX-MX5. Be sure to read this entire document before purchasing parts or starting the swap. But it clearly couldn’t work forever. The heart of the Hyper Miata is the Chevy LFX V6 engine swap. Sometimes the best mod is "working air conditioning" and that is for cone-killing BS. Powder coated dark gray. See more ideas about Miata, Roadsters, Swap. LFX Totality swap Purchase Guidelines and Pricing Information lfx totality swap kit performance brochure Around a 2 minute track, most TT drivers claim an approximate 2.5 second lap reduction when removing a 180 lb passenger from a 3000 lb car. To me, being able to to take most of the powertrain and swap the intake manifold is easier and more properly engineered than an adaptor plate set up. It's a more distant relative. V6 Miata Swap LFX engine. I was led to believe that there was a bigger difference between the Taurus and the Jaguar/Lincoln engine from your previous comment, Alfa. We wanted Miata 3.0 to be naturally aspirated, and built with easily sourced, under-stressed parts. And that's why if you are in the US, find the LS V6 manual- they are still out there. Edit:  I realize you said adapting the rotary trans. I'll be watching your progress with just as much interest! Under the hood sits a 3.2 L J32 V6 from an Acura 3.2 TL Type-S which produces 280 horsepower. jump to content. We've had two break on our own cars - I only ended up in the gravel, another ended up in the trees. Re: LFX Engine Swap (GM V6) at GWR by Ryan @ GWR » Thu May 12, 2016 5:10 pm We're teaming up with V8Roadsters for this swap, they are hard at work on many of the conversion parts necessary to fit this drivetrain to the Miata (as well as NC and RX8! After we tackle the technical challenge of fitting the motor we have the electronics expertise to make it reliable and street-able. LFX Totality swap Purchase Guidelines and Pricing Information lfx totality swap kit performance brochure Around a 2 minute track, most TT drivers claim an approximate 2.5 second lap reduction when removing a 180 lb passenger from a 3000 lb car. check out the. V8 Roadsters | Mazda Miata performance parts, LSx & LFX engine swap specialists. Update by Tom Suddard to the Add in wider tires–which we’d need if we were going to add 100 horsepower–and it was obvious that we needed to buy some real parts in this department. The main problems with the J swap that I've seen documented are the engine being cantilevered off a rear (bellhousing) mount, lack of ground clearance for the oil pan, and re-locating the steering rack. And with mods (cams, porting, throttlebody, E85 etc.) But at both Road Atlanta and Daytona, every driver reached a unanimous agreement: If we could just make 100 more horsepower, pushing the total near 300, this car would be unbeatable. It will allow you to mount the engine and a T56 transmission into the car. If there is a floor in the way, you might not. Doing both while shooting for a podium finish? We pulled the Miata out of storage with new goals: Kick it up a notch, move away from low-buck racing, and go really fast. Decision made, we ordered the V8 Roadsters swap kit, then called a local salvage yard and ordered a Camaro engine and transmission, as well as a limited-slip differential from a Cadillac CTS. Mondeo would seem to be a common donor as well but the transverse mounting may bring some differences to it and there's a 15% horsepower difference if I'm reading Wikipedia correctly. As far as I know, there is no US turnkey builder. Better fuel mileage. Which Mazda platform makes for a better track car when fitted with a V8 Roadsters Chevy LFX V6 swap … Last I saw, it was getting 300hp w/o DI. The article makes it seem like it's only a few thousand dollars difference, I think it's closer to $10k. Dunno- I don't know what year of "Jag" engine they are using- if it's one from the early '00's, then it's really a Taurus engine- not an actual jaguar engine. You are aware that this was remedied and yet you still want to put it out there 8 years later like it’s still going on. I don't remember now if GM was doing it on other cars, but I remember for certain that Saturn painted their engine bays black no matter what color the car was. Miata, MX-5; Konstantinos Sidiras from One Lap Heroes is upgrading his 1991 Mazda MX-5 with an engine swap. I still think finding a more suitable trans would make more sense. Because our Miata is a race car, we decided to save some weight and leave out our car’s heater core. Hmm, interesting. Yes, Ford really improved the quality of the Lyons inspired cars. We had two choices: Continue developing the car or get rid of it, and we didn’t want to do either. Competition ready Miata big brake kits (BBK) & suspension products. Miata Parts, Intakes, Superchargers, Headers, Exhausts, Shocks, Springs, Sway Bars, Brake Kits, Autocross and track mods. The black-painted engine bay helps a lot, too, as it mutes the Mazda portion of the car. If you use an LS transmission, you need to re-engineer either the Power Plant Frame or come up with a way to secure the differential and transmission. 100 more horsepower. After years of development, three turbos, four engines, and roughly a dozen depressing drives home from the track with a broken car on the trailer, we found success with our junkyard turbo setup: We finished second in class at ChampCar Daytona! The parts are only being warranted after a failure. But again,  making a miata a better racecar is easier than making it a better streetcar. Put simply, we just didn’t see those Miata parts lasting behind 300 horsepower in an endurance racing setting. I'm getting 19 mpg with about 50% highway cruising and 50% full throttle bouncing off the rev limiter. Designed to use the NB Miata (1999-2005) steering rack/components. I'll have to go do some digging, find out if there's more specific feedback about issues with the chassis. It never seemed to work well, and he did so poorly that he lost his competition license and hasn't been seen again. Rocketeer would bring the DIY kits back online with the right partner, I believe. © 2021 Motorsport Marketing. Must be a much bigger engine.... For a different, and perhaps cheaper (but harder) option would be the Lincoln LS V6 with manual swap. The m.net thread describes the rear end as being out of a CTS, I thought. There have been rack failures reported there. And that's a good thing. Dec 27, 2019 - Explore V8 Roadsters's board "Miata LFX Swap" on Pinterest. This is, of course, a major advantage to keeping the Miata transmission. You're welcome! Mazda Miata project car Can't give too many specifics quite yet, but it may turn out to be a simpler swap in some ways than the NA/NB even. The second kit, from V8 Roadsters, uses the GM LFX engine, a direct-injected 3.6-liter V6 found in most modern GM products fitted with a V6, including the Camaro and Cadillac CTS. The lfx has a good 120 horse on it though. LFX is fun in a big first gen Camaro, can't imagine it in a Miata. Uh, the Jag and Lincoln motors are both basically the Taurus engine. Very much interested in anything about rehoming LFXen... You're not wrong, but it's not really possible to buy it yet. So yes it is possible. You'll also need a custom flywheel or a custom clutch, both of which are pretty straightforward. Sounds like something you'd have to worry about if your differential and transmission weren't held in perfect alignment by a large C-channel. Race Car: LFX Miata Swap. The issues that plague all big-power Miatas are still there. It would split the difference between our turbo four and a heavy, overpowered LS swap, and meet our goals perfectly. The driver is the most important component of any racing vehicle, after all. I've seen a number of failures of those. For a street car it's more of an annoyance although realistically there aren't many engines you can swap into a Miata that will be any MORE pleasant buzzing 4000rpm going 70mph, so a gear swap is almost implied with any larger engine intended to make the miata a better street experience. to the engine it really is a perfect little missile. But the engine is the basic Ford unit. The first video explains he was originally going to use a LSx V8 but decided to use a 3.6 L LFX V6 from a 2012 Camaro. Or CV joints in the driveshaft. Especially since you're specifying a transmission that is between 39 and 28 years old. That's the same reason I have PS on my track car. You also have to deal with where the shifter ends up. The failure mode is very bad, with a loss of steering that has led to multiple damaged cars and injuries. One request, please open up the exhaust if it doesn't violate noise levels, it sings... Love it! Sounds like something you'd have to worry about if your differential and transmission weren't held in perfect alignment by a large C-channel. Depends on where you think the difficult points are. What would it need to beat on track? Wish I took a good look at it when he did come, I saw it as "just another" miata at an autox with a different sounding motor. It may be possible to build an LFX Miata that feels like it came out of the factory with all systems fully integrated, but you don't bother with the full level of finish on a track car. After all, we’re looking for good stories, not necessarily a good race car. Dave Coleman had one fail at Laguna Seca in 2018 and hit a wall hard enough to crack his sternum. It’s a pretty straightforward swap, but there are a few important things to know. Did we think it could be faster, and produce a good story along the way? Really makes me appreciate Guibos. But all of those were based on much earlier designs intended for far lower production volumes. We managed to keep things together for an entire race, but the car fought us the entire time and required parts that weren’t in stock at every AutoZone. ), so you'll be seeing many of those parts as we progress with this project. I wonder who the first person to Genesis coupe swap a Miata will be? The may have added a slightly different valvetrain, and did add electronic throttle. Konstantinos Sidiras, the owner of this ’91 Miata, chose a General Motors LFX: a 3.6-liter V6, sourced in this case from a 2012 Camaro. I wonder how unimportant NVH isn't for an endurance racer. It's interesting that there isn't a Cyclone v6 swap out there being sold, too. Pat Mordaunt was supposed to drive one with the the V6 with a blower. It works. Dont forget, the Mazda 6 had the same family of V6 in it. Also, you don't mention engine management for the LFX. 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